I heard about these a year or so ago but I just now have seen some pics compliments of Velonews. I basically just needed something to post. That Big Stick post was looking old to me, although I have used the Big Sticks quite a lot on this frame and I'm still amazed at how well they work. I originally thought they would make a good product for sale, but then I thought that they were so easy to make why would anyone bother buying them. I should have some pics of the carbon frame I'm working on here shortly. Bare with me.